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2011 06-19 John 10: 1-21

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The document summarizes a passage from the Bible (John 10: 1-21) where Jesus refers to himself as the Good Shepherd and contrasts his role with that of religious leaders at the time, referred to as thieves and robbers. It then discusses how this passage has been used traditionally by Quakers to oppose pastoral ministry. It suggests the passage indicates that Jesus' message was meant for all people, not just Jews, and that while other religions may imprison people, Jesus offers freedom and will unite all people regardless of religion. It concludes by asking how to recognize Jesus' voice so that it can be taught to others.

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John 10: 1 21 The Good Shepherd
Jesus has just healed the man born blind, who was thrown out by the pharisees for crediting Jesus. Then Jesus found the man and made a veiled accusation against the pharisees.
The Good Shepherd passage is familiar, but it may not be familiar as part of Jesus conversation with the pharisees. He seems still to be talking to them
John 10:1 I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.
The pharisees are there hearing Jesus call them out as thieves and robbers, but they dont seem to get it. Jesus spoke in parables so that He could sneak things by like this.
John 10:8 but the sheep did not listen to them. Jesus is painting the picture of a sheep pen with ordinary people as the sheep, ruled over by bad shepherds up until now.
Something vaguely like this:
When Jesus says, I am the gate, He means what He says. Shepherds planted themselves in the doorway to defend the sheep from predators.
Something like this:
What I take from this passage People have been prisoner in the sheep pen of the Pharisees No one until Jesus has been able to lead people out.
Everyone other than Jesus is really about fleecing the sheep and imprisoning them. Only Jesus is about guarding the sheep and giving them freedom to come and go.
This passage has been the basis for traditional Quaker opposition to pastoral ministry. What I do has been called hireling ministry and distrusted as a poor substitute for Jesus Christ.
Sometimes this has been true. It is not just paid leaders who poorly substitute for Jesus and imprison us for unworthy purposes, though.
Religion itself can imprison us. This passage is also one of the key scriptural foundations for any sort of view of other religions than Christianity
John 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. What can this mean but that Jesus claims other people around the world besides just hereditary Jews of Palestine?
Like you and me. but what about people who follow other religions? (imprisoned by other religions, including secular irreligion)
John 10:16 continued: They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
Hindu, Buddhist, Moslem, Wiccan, whatever, the person who doesnt go to church They dont listen to my voice or your voice, but they will listen to Jesus voice when they hear Him.
and we will all be unified. It may not look like American Protestant religion, but it will praise God in Jesus name.
John 10:17 The key to it is: I lay down my life only to take it up again.
No one can mistake that for anything else, and they will listen to the voice of Jesus when they recognize it.
Do you know how to recognize the voice of Jesus, so that you can teach someone else?
Recognizing the Voice of Jesus According to the 7 Last Words from the Cross 1. Father forgive them, for they know not what they do (Luke 23:34). Jesus voice always offers forgiveness. It does not ignore sin, but it recognizes that we do the best with our limited awareness and limited ability to govern our own will, and it will always come up short. 2. Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise (Luke 23:43). Jesus voice immediately responds to faith, not necessarily with an outward or material, miraculous salvation, but the guarantee of perfect, eternal reunion with God. 3. Woman, behold your son: behold your mother (John 19:26-27). Jesus voice offers comfort here in the world, bringing His people together to care for each other in a way that resembles family. 4. My God, My God, why have you forsaken me, (Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34). Quoting Psalm 22:1 and a humans voice of agonized prayer, Jesus voice offers us the assurance that He shares even the worst of our suffering, no matter how great or unbearable. 5. I thirst (John 19:28). Jesus voice often comes in simple requests that are opportunities for us to give and discover Him as He blesses us and rewards us for our offerings of mercy and compassion. 6. It is finished (John 19:30). Jesus voice always offers the calm assurance that Gods will is perfect and will be perfectly accomplished in full. 7. Father, into your hands I commit my spirit (Luke 23:46). Jesus voice encourages our faith to trust in God at any cost and be content that His will be done and not our own.

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2011 06-19 John 10: 1-21

  • 1. John 10: 1 21 The Good Shepherd
  • 2. Jesus has just healed the man born blind, who was thrown out by the pharisees for crediting Jesus. Then Jesus found the man and made a veiled accusation against the pharisees.
  • 3. The Good Shepherd passage is familiar, but it may not be familiar as part of Jesus conversation with the pharisees. He seems still to be talking to them
  • 4. John 10:1 I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.
  • 5. The pharisees are there hearing Jesus call them out as thieves and robbers, but they dont seem to get it. Jesus spoke in parables so that He could sneak things by like this.
  • 6. John 10:8 but the sheep did not listen to them. Jesus is painting the picture of a sheep pen with ordinary people as the sheep, ruled over by bad shepherds up until now.
  • 8. When Jesus says, I am the gate, He means what He says. Shepherds planted themselves in the doorway to defend the sheep from predators.
  • 10. What I take from this passage People have been prisoner in the sheep pen of the Pharisees No one until Jesus has been able to lead people out.
  • 11. Everyone other than Jesus is really about fleecing the sheep and imprisoning them. Only Jesus is about guarding the sheep and giving them freedom to come and go.
  • 12. This passage has been the basis for traditional Quaker opposition to pastoral ministry. What I do has been called hireling ministry and distrusted as a poor substitute for Jesus Christ.
  • 13. Sometimes this has been true. It is not just paid leaders who poorly substitute for Jesus and imprison us for unworthy purposes, though.
  • 14. Religion itself can imprison us. This passage is also one of the key scriptural foundations for any sort of view of other religions than Christianity
  • 15. John 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. What can this mean but that Jesus claims other people around the world besides just hereditary Jews of Palestine?
  • 16. Like you and me. but what about people who follow other religions? (imprisoned by other religions, including secular irreligion)
  • 17. John 10:16 continued: They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
  • 18. Hindu, Buddhist, Moslem, Wiccan, whatever, the person who doesnt go to church They dont listen to my voice or your voice, but they will listen to Jesus voice when they hear Him.
  • 19. and we will all be unified. It may not look like American Protestant religion, but it will praise God in Jesus name.
  • 20. John 10:17 The key to it is: I lay down my life only to take it up again.
  • 21. No one can mistake that for anything else, and they will listen to the voice of Jesus when they recognize it.
  • 22. Do you know how to recognize the voice of Jesus, so that you can teach someone else?
  • 23. Recognizing the Voice of Jesus According to the 7 Last Words from the Cross 1. Father forgive them, for they know not what they do (Luke 23:34). Jesus voice always offers forgiveness. It does not ignore sin, but it recognizes that we do the best with our limited awareness and limited ability to govern our own will, and it will always come up short. 2. Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise (Luke 23:43). Jesus voice immediately responds to faith, not necessarily with an outward or material, miraculous salvation, but the guarantee of perfect, eternal reunion with God. 3. Woman, behold your son: behold your mother (John 19:26-27). Jesus voice offers comfort here in the world, bringing His people together to care for each other in a way that resembles family. 4. My God, My God, why have you forsaken me, (Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34). Quoting Psalm 22:1 and a humans voice of agonized prayer, Jesus voice offers us the assurance that He shares even the worst of our suffering, no matter how great or unbearable. 5. I thirst (John 19:28). Jesus voice often comes in simple requests that are opportunities for us to give and discover Him as He blesses us and rewards us for our offerings of mercy and compassion. 6. It is finished (John 19:30). Jesus voice always offers the calm assurance that Gods will is perfect and will be perfectly accomplished in full. 7. Father, into your hands I commit my spirit (Luke 23:46). Jesus voice encourages our faith to trust in God at any cost and be content that His will be done and not our own.