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Geolocation and Geofeed Implementation, presented by Subha Shamarukh

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Subha Shamarukh, Internet Resource Analyst at APNIC, presented on 'Geolocation and Geofeed Implementation' at SANOG 42 held in Islamabad Pakistan from 21 to 25 October 2024.

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1 Geolocation and Geofeed Implementation Subha Shamarukh Internet Resource Analyst APNIC
2 What is Geolocation? • IP geolocation is the mapping of an IP address to a geographic location (using databases and other data sources).
3 3 Why do we need Geolocation? • Location-Based Services • Targeted Advertising and Marketing • Enhanced User Experience • Compliance with Legal and Regulatory Requirements • Fraud Detection and Prevention • Emergency Services and Public Safety
4 4 Ecosystem
5 5 IP Geolocation complaints are on the rise • APNIC has exhausted fresh 103 prefixes from final /8 block. • New addresses delegated are from recycled pool. • These IPs were in use before, so some geolocation providers may point to the old geolocation details.
6 6 Queries from APNIC members My customers cannot access Bkash, Rocket app with these IPs. Please help. Currently, we are getting our IP geolocation Australia. Please change our IP geolocation from Australia to Pakistan. We are getting geolocation issue in our IP. It shows Italy but we serve in Bangladesh. So how can I solve the issue? Services hosted in amazon web services detects the IP as Hong Kong Country IP. So a lot of our users are not being able to use our country on restricted sites like hoichoi.tv chorki.com etc. We are facing geolocation related issue. A lot of game and services sees us as Hong Kong. Our IP address used to be owned by a Hong Kong based hosting company. Such as PUBG mobile detects the country of our IP as Hong Kong.
7 Services Impacted Fintech services (e.g. Bkash, Rocket) and Banking websites Gaming websites (e.g. PubG, CSGO) Social media and Content Providers Government websites
8 8 Troubleshooting • Check APNIC Whois registration is up to date. • Search on APNIC Whois Database: https://apnic.net/whois
9 Troubleshooting • Check IP information in third party GEOIP databases (such as, MaxMind, Google) and submit a correction request if the location is incorrect. More info: https://www.apnic.net/geolocation
10 10 Troubleshooting • If a geolocation provider has incorrect location details of your IP address range, contact them and request they update the location of the range. • Some content delivery networks (CDN) and content providers maintain their own IP geolocation database which may or may not use RIR data. You may want to contact them directly to report any geolocation issues. • Contact web admins of blocked websites directly and inquire about the issue.
11 11 APNIC Data • For records maintained by APNIC, the economy where the organization is registered is recorded (with ISO-3166 country codes, e.g PK, AU) • This information appears in: – Public stats file – Portable inetnum and inet6num
12 12 Public Stats file https://ftp.apnic.net/stats/apnic/delegated-apnic-latest
13 13 Inetnum/inet6num objects
14 Member data Parent Object for /23 inetnum: 203.176.189.0 - 203.176.190.255 netname: APNIC-SERVICES-V4 descr: APNIC country: AU Customer Assignment for /24 inetnum: 203.176.189.0 - 203.176.189.255 netname: APNIC-SERVICES-V4 descr: APNIC country: AU Customer Assignment for /24 inetnum: 203.176.190.0 - 203.176.190.255 netname: APNIC-SERVICES-V4 descr: APNIC country: NZ Members can register customer assignments to indicate the location where their network is deployed – “country” attribute in customer assignments can be used to indicate the economy where those IP addresses are used – “geoloc” attribute can be used to associate a latitude/longitude coordinate pair with a particular address block – “geofeed” attribute can be used by entering a URL containing location information in csv format
15 15 Inetnum/inet6num objects examples
16 16 Geoloc • A latitude/longitude coordinate indicating where users of this network are located. • Example: geoloc: 33.738045 73.084488 • Limited success with geoloc (due to specificity/granularity issues, human unfriendly) • Likely to be deprecated
17 17 Geofeed • RFC 8805 specifies a format for self-publishing geolocation information for IP prefixes. • Host CSV geofeed file over https and put the URL in the geofeed attribute in the inetnum object. • Only custodians of IPs with authorised logins/access can add this attribute in the inetnum and inet6num object in MyAPNIC. • Example: geofeed: https://example.com/geofeed.csv
18 How to add Geofeed Step 1: Prepare CSV file with location information and URL • You can host the CSV geofeed file on your domain. • Alternatively, use a free service like GitHub or Packetvis (https://packetvis.com/geofeed/ ) to generate the CSV file and url. Example: remarks:https://geofeeds.packetvis.com/example.csv
19 19 How to add Geofeed Step 2: Add geofeed attribute via MyAPNIC Go to: • MyAPNIC > Resource Manager > Whois Updates • Select the “Update” tab • Search IP prefix to find the inetnum object • Select 'geofeed' from the drop-down list at the bottom of the page > Add field > Enter the url • Update
20 20 Why Geofeed • Only custodians of IPs with authorised login/access can add this attribute in the inetnum and inet6num object via MyAPNIC. • An organization, even big operators can maintain one single CSV file with all their subnets. Any change in geofeed information can be updated in the CSV file. • The url in the inetnum/ inet6num objects does not need to be changed as the url will still point to the same CSV file with the updated information.
21 21 Why Geofeed • Some geolocation providers have “auto-discovery” which means when geofeed information is entered/updated these providers will automatically extract that information. No need to contact each provider separately.
22 22 How to verify Geofeed • After adding the Geofeed attribute, you can verify the information on Geolocatemuch: https://geolocatemuch.com/?resource Note: Allow time for the information to propagate before checking.
23 23 Fetching Geofeed Data RFC9632 outlines how to find geofeed data, including the use of the geofeed attribute in inetnum and inet6num objects, and how to fetch that data from the RIRs. • Fetch bulk FTP downloads of Whois data from each RIR directly and process them using a script (except for ARIN, which requires AUP-type agreement before access can be granted); • Use a program like https://github.com/massimocandela/geofeed-finder, which fetches data from the previous point and provides simple wrapper functions around that data (including workarounds for fetching the ARIN data); or • Fetch a processed bulk geofeed CSV file like: https://geolocatemuch.com/geofeeds/validated-all.csv
24 At the moment there are 379004 prefixes with geofeeds. Add yours now! Talk to the APNIC team at SANOG for support. THANK YOU

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Geolocation and Geofeed Implementation, presented by Subha Shamarukh

  • 2. 2 What is Geolocation? • IP geolocation is the mapping of an IP address to a geographic location (using databases and other data sources).
  • 3. 3 3 Why do we need Geolocation? • Location-Based Services • Targeted Advertising and Marketing • Enhanced User Experience • Compliance with Legal and Regulatory Requirements • Fraud Detection and Prevention • Emergency Services and Public Safety
  • 5. 5 5 IP Geolocation complaints are on the rise • APNIC has exhausted fresh 103 prefixes from final /8 block. • New addresses delegated are from recycled pool. • These IPs were in use before, so some geolocation providers may point to the old geolocation details.
  • 6. 6 6 Queries from APNIC members My customers cannot access Bkash, Rocket app with these IPs. Please help. Currently, we are getting our IP geolocation Australia. Please change our IP geolocation from Australia to Pakistan. We are getting geolocation issue in our IP. It shows Italy but we serve in Bangladesh. So how can I solve the issue? Services hosted in amazon web services detects the IP as Hong Kong Country IP. So a lot of our users are not being able to use our country on restricted sites like hoichoi.tv chorki.com etc. We are facing geolocation related issue. A lot of game and services sees us as Hong Kong. Our IP address used to be owned by a Hong Kong based hosting company. Such as PUBG mobile detects the country of our IP as Hong Kong.
  • 7. 7 Services Impacted Fintech services (e.g. Bkash, Rocket) and Banking websites Gaming websites (e.g. PubG, CSGO) Social media and Content Providers Government websites
  • 8. 8 8 Troubleshooting • Check APNIC Whois registration is up to date. • Search on APNIC Whois Database: https://apnic.net/whois
  • 9. 9 Troubleshooting • Check IP information in third party GEOIP databases (such as, MaxMind, Google) and submit a correction request if the location is incorrect. More info: https://www.apnic.net/geolocation
  • 10. 10 10 Troubleshooting • If a geolocation provider has incorrect location details of your IP address range, contact them and request they update the location of the range. • Some content delivery networks (CDN) and content providers maintain their own IP geolocation database which may or may not use RIR data. You may want to contact them directly to report any geolocation issues. • Contact web admins of blocked websites directly and inquire about the issue.
  • 11. 11 11 APNIC Data • For records maintained by APNIC, the economy where the organization is registered is recorded (with ISO-3166 country codes, e.g PK, AU) • This information appears in: – Public stats file – Portable inetnum and inet6num
  • 14. 14 Member data Parent Object for /23 inetnum: 203.176.189.0 - 203.176.190.255 netname: APNIC-SERVICES-V4 descr: APNIC country: AU Customer Assignment for /24 inetnum: 203.176.189.0 - 203.176.189.255 netname: APNIC-SERVICES-V4 descr: APNIC country: AU Customer Assignment for /24 inetnum: 203.176.190.0 - 203.176.190.255 netname: APNIC-SERVICES-V4 descr: APNIC country: NZ Members can register customer assignments to indicate the location where their network is deployed – “country” attribute in customer assignments can be used to indicate the economy where those IP addresses are used – “geoloc” attribute can be used to associate a latitude/longitude coordinate pair with a particular address block – “geofeed” attribute can be used by entering a URL containing location information in csv format
  • 16. 16 16 Geoloc • A latitude/longitude coordinate indicating where users of this network are located. • Example: geoloc: 33.738045 73.084488 • Limited success with geoloc (due to specificity/granularity issues, human unfriendly) • Likely to be deprecated
  • 17. 17 17 Geofeed • RFC 8805 specifies a format for self-publishing geolocation information for IP prefixes. • Host CSV geofeed file over https and put the URL in the geofeed attribute in the inetnum object. • Only custodians of IPs with authorised logins/access can add this attribute in the inetnum and inet6num object in MyAPNIC. • Example: geofeed: https://example.com/geofeed.csv
  • 18. 18 How to add Geofeed Step 1: Prepare CSV file with location information and URL • You can host the CSV geofeed file on your domain. • Alternatively, use a free service like GitHub or Packetvis (https://packetvis.com/geofeed/ ) to generate the CSV file and url. Example: remarks:https://geofeeds.packetvis.com/example.csv
  • 19. 19 19 How to add Geofeed Step 2: Add geofeed attribute via MyAPNIC Go to: • MyAPNIC > Resource Manager > Whois Updates • Select the “Update” tab • Search IP prefix to find the inetnum object • Select 'geofeed' from the drop-down list at the bottom of the page > Add field > Enter the url • Update
  • 20. 20 20 Why Geofeed • Only custodians of IPs with authorised login/access can add this attribute in the inetnum and inet6num object via MyAPNIC. • An organization, even big operators can maintain one single CSV file with all their subnets. Any change in geofeed information can be updated in the CSV file. • The url in the inetnum/ inet6num objects does not need to be changed as the url will still point to the same CSV file with the updated information.
  • 21. 21 21 Why Geofeed • Some geolocation providers have “auto-discovery” which means when geofeed information is entered/updated these providers will automatically extract that information. No need to contact each provider separately.
  • 22. 22 22 How to verify Geofeed • After adding the Geofeed attribute, you can verify the information on Geolocatemuch: https://geolocatemuch.com/?resource Note: Allow time for the information to propagate before checking.
  • 23. 23 23 Fetching Geofeed Data RFC9632 outlines how to find geofeed data, including the use of the geofeed attribute in inetnum and inet6num objects, and how to fetch that data from the RIRs. • Fetch bulk FTP downloads of Whois data from each RIR directly and process them using a script (except for ARIN, which requires AUP-type agreement before access can be granted); • Use a program like https://github.com/massimocandela/geofeed-finder, which fetches data from the previous point and provides simple wrapper functions around that data (including workarounds for fetching the ARIN data); or • Fetch a processed bulk geofeed CSV file like: https://geolocatemuch.com/geofeeds/validated-all.csv
  • 24. 24 At the moment there are 379004 prefixes with geofeeds. Add yours now! Talk to the APNIC team at SANOG for support. THANK YOU