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This document summarizes data from the 2016 Australian census about employment outcomes for engineering bachelor graduates. It finds that 25% of engineering graduates work as professional engineers, with declining employment rates in and out of the engineering field since 2011. Even for professional engineering roles, there is significant competition from non-engineers. The document raises questions about how universities portray career outcomes to students and whether engineering curricula adequately prepare students for available roles.

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Stuart Palmer(@s_palm ) School of Engineering Deakin University What the census says about Australian engineering graduate occupational outcomes
[US] Choy and Bradburn (2008) – 10 years post- graduation approx. half still working in field [AUS] Trevelyan and Tilli (2010) – approx. half of all graduates working out of field [UK] Lyons (2011) – 28% of graduates work in finance and business, same rate as all graduates Engineering graduates
ABS data from last (2016) census, queried for: E&RT bachelor graduates x Occupation Occupation x Highest Educational qualification E&RT bachelor graduates x Occupation x Age Method
Occupations included Chemical and Materials Engineers Civil Engineering Professionals Electrical Engineers Electronics Engineers Industrial, Mechanical and Production Engineers Mining Engineers Other Engineering Professionals Engineering Managers Engineering Professionals (not further defined) ICT Support and Test Engineers Telecommunications Engineering Professionals
Data are from late 2016 (somewhat dated) Census only records ‘highest qualification’ Doesn’t disaggregate pass and honours degrees Have to decide which occupations to include in ‘professional engineering’ Census data are subject to small random variations to avoid potential re-identification Limitations
25.0% 23.5% 14.7% 11.9% 8.8% 4.8% 3.4% 1.9% 1.6% 1.5% 0.9% 0.9% 0.8% 0.3% Engineering - 25.0% Not working - 23.5% General - 14.7% Management - 11.9% IT - 8.8% Technical - 4.8% Marketing - 3.4% Construction - 1.9% Professional other - 1.6% Finance - 1.5% Education - 0.9% Unknown - 0.9% Science - 0.8% Health - 0.3% Total - 260,176 (broadly) Where BEs work
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Variation by age 41.1% 46.7% 24.4% 41.9% 46.2% 34.6% 35.7% 39.0% 31.3% 32.8% 33.2% 28.7% 29.0% 31.7% 26.3% 28.5% 28.2% 25.4% 29.8% 28.4% 22.5% 27.6% 27.9% 21.9% 20.5% 22.1% 16.6% 10.2% 13.0% 10.6% 39.8% 30.7% 39.1% 47.1% 41.4% 47.4% 56.2% 51.5% 56.6% 59.2% 58.5% 60.4% 63.1% 60.2% 63.7% 63.6% 63.0% 63.6% 60.6% 62.1% 64.3% 54.7% 56.2% 57.9% 40.7% 43.1% 44.1% 22.8% 25.6% 25.5% 19.2% 22.6% 36.5% 11.1% 12.5% 18.0% 8.1% 9.5% 12.1% 8.0% 8.3% 11.0% 7.9% 8.1% 9.9% 7.9% 8.8% 11.0% 9.6% 9.5% 13.2% 17.7% 15.9% 20.1% 38.8% 34.7% 39.3% 67.0% 61.4% 63.9% '06: 10262 '11: 11784 '16: 18580 '06: 21887 '11: 29545 '16: 38802 '06: 22396 '11: 28249 '16: 38376 '06: 18717 '11: 27087 '16: 32801 '06: 18296 '11: 21963 '16: 29020 '06: 16123 '11: 20227 '16: 23049 '06: 13912 '11: 16812 '16: 20507 '06: 10696 '11: 14221 '16: 16649 '06: 6935 '11: 11016 '16: 14207 '06: 4829 '11: 7082 '16: 11181 0% 20% 40% 60% 80% 100% '06 20 - '11 24 '16 yrs '06 25 - '11 29 '16 yrs '06 30 - '11 34 '16 yrs '06 35 - '11 39 '16 yrs '06 40 - '11 44 '16 yrs '06 45 - '11 49 '16 yrs '06 50 - '11 54 '16 yrs '06 55 - '11 59 '16 yrs '06 60 - '11 64 '16 yrs '06 65 - '11 69 '16 yrs Percentageofengineeringbachelorgrads... Age range …working as professional engineer …otherwise employed …not working Year totals
Graduate employment, both in and out of field, has declined since 2011 There are significantly more qualified engineers than there are professional engineering roles Even for those roles, there is significant competition from people without engineering bachelor qualifications Summary findings
What jobs/roles are you educating for? What career outcomes are portrayed in your course publicity? Who’s on your advisory board? What is an authentic engineering curriculum??? Curriculum questions
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  • 1. Stuart Palmer(@s_palm ) School of Engineering Deakin University What the census says about Australian engineering graduate occupational outcomes
  • 2. [US] Choy and Bradburn (2008) – 10 years post- graduation approx. half still working in field [AUS] Trevelyan and Tilli (2010) – approx. half of all graduates working out of field [UK] Lyons (2011) – 28% of graduates work in finance and business, same rate as all graduates Engineering graduates
  • 3. ABS data from last (2016) census, queried for: E&RT bachelor graduates x Occupation Occupation x Highest Educational qualification E&RT bachelor graduates x Occupation x Age Method
  • 4. Occupations included Chemical and Materials Engineers Civil Engineering Professionals Electrical Engineers Electronics Engineers Industrial, Mechanical and Production Engineers Mining Engineers Other Engineering Professionals Engineering Managers Engineering Professionals (not further defined) ICT Support and Test Engineers Telecommunications Engineering Professionals
  • 5. Data are from late 2016 (somewhat dated) Census only records ‘highest qualification’ Doesn’t disaggregate pass and honours degrees Have to decide which occupations to include in ‘professional engineering’ Census data are subject to small random variations to avoid potential re-identification Limitations
  • 6. 25.0% 23.5% 14.7% 11.9% 8.8% 4.8% 3.4% 1.9% 1.6% 1.5% 0.9% 0.9% 0.8% 0.3% Engineering - 25.0% Not working - 23.5% General - 14.7% Management - 11.9% IT - 8.8% Technical - 4.8% Marketing - 3.4% Construction - 1.9% Professional other - 1.6% Finance - 1.5% Education - 0.9% Unknown - 0.9% Science - 0.8% Health - 0.3% Total - 260,176 (broadly) Where BEs work
  • 10. Variation by age 41.1% 46.7% 24.4% 41.9% 46.2% 34.6% 35.7% 39.0% 31.3% 32.8% 33.2% 28.7% 29.0% 31.7% 26.3% 28.5% 28.2% 25.4% 29.8% 28.4% 22.5% 27.6% 27.9% 21.9% 20.5% 22.1% 16.6% 10.2% 13.0% 10.6% 39.8% 30.7% 39.1% 47.1% 41.4% 47.4% 56.2% 51.5% 56.6% 59.2% 58.5% 60.4% 63.1% 60.2% 63.7% 63.6% 63.0% 63.6% 60.6% 62.1% 64.3% 54.7% 56.2% 57.9% 40.7% 43.1% 44.1% 22.8% 25.6% 25.5% 19.2% 22.6% 36.5% 11.1% 12.5% 18.0% 8.1% 9.5% 12.1% 8.0% 8.3% 11.0% 7.9% 8.1% 9.9% 7.9% 8.8% 11.0% 9.6% 9.5% 13.2% 17.7% 15.9% 20.1% 38.8% 34.7% 39.3% 67.0% 61.4% 63.9% '06: 10262 '11: 11784 '16: 18580 '06: 21887 '11: 29545 '16: 38802 '06: 22396 '11: 28249 '16: 38376 '06: 18717 '11: 27087 '16: 32801 '06: 18296 '11: 21963 '16: 29020 '06: 16123 '11: 20227 '16: 23049 '06: 13912 '11: 16812 '16: 20507 '06: 10696 '11: 14221 '16: 16649 '06: 6935 '11: 11016 '16: 14207 '06: 4829 '11: 7082 '16: 11181 0% 20% 40% 60% 80% 100% '06 20 - '11 24 '16 yrs '06 25 - '11 29 '16 yrs '06 30 - '11 34 '16 yrs '06 35 - '11 39 '16 yrs '06 40 - '11 44 '16 yrs '06 45 - '11 49 '16 yrs '06 50 - '11 54 '16 yrs '06 55 - '11 59 '16 yrs '06 60 - '11 64 '16 yrs '06 65 - '11 69 '16 yrs Percentageofengineeringbachelorgrads... Age range …working as professional engineer …otherwise employed …not working Year totals
  • 11. Graduate employment, both in and out of field, has declined since 2011 There are significantly more qualified engineers than there are professional engineering roles Even for those roles, there is significant competition from people without engineering bachelor qualifications Summary findings
  • 12. What jobs/roles are you educating for? What career outcomes are portrayed in your course publicity? Who’s on your advisory board? What is an authentic engineering curriculum??? Curriculum questions