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How LoneStartNow is
Creating a Culture of
WellnessThrough
Employee Engagement
And how were making wellness viral
Creating a culture -through engaging in wellness
It was a dark and stormy night wait wrong story

Way back, in the beginning  The idea of LoneStart Wellness came
about as a result of some very powerful eventswatching family members
health decline, the avoidable death of a good friend, seeing so much
confusing and conflicting information about health, and a car breakdown in
the middle of absolutely nowhere (dont ask).
As our business has developed, weve learned that
were in more than the wellness business. We are in
the engagement business. We are in the business

of creating cultures within organizations. This is big!

 The worlds top-performing organizations

understand that employee engagement is a
force that drives performance outcomes. In
the best organizations, engagement is more
than a human resources initiativeit is a
strategic foundation for the way they do
business.

__Gallup

Engagement is the current business hot button.
Its impossible said Pride. Its risky said
Experience. Its pointless said Reason. Give it a
try whispered the Heart.

~ Anonymous
We are the two LoneStart Wellness
co-founders Melinda West Seifert
(me) and Steven J. (Jay) Seifert.

Jay and I took our education, (his an
M.A. in social psychology from
Tulane University and mine, an M.S.

in allied health from Tulane), our
professional experience, and our
lifelong interest in good health, and
turned our focus toward wellness.
This is us 
(yes were marriedto each other)
The year: 2005. We had twin daughters in college, lots of expenses.
But, we had an idea for a new business  and, we had conviction.
We also had a number of people ask if we were crazy.

We had some savings (total
amount shown here) and a plan.
We spent the first year
developing materials for our new
Wellness Program.
At the time, Atkins was all the rage.

Three cheeseburgers a day and steak wrapped in bacon for
dinner? Excuse me?

That cant be right. Thats not good.
There had to be a better way.
When Katrina struck New
Orleans, my video producer
brother, Glen West, and family,
stayed with us in Austin for
about 4 weeks. He produced
our first wellness introductory

video to go along with the
original (each hand punched
and bound, produced entirely
in-house, literally) workbook.
(Weve come a long way since those early days.)
We had the crazy thought that
despite what everyone else

was saying, all of us really

This isnt really Jay, but actually,
his hair looks just like this 

already had everything we
needed to live healthier lives.

Using what we know about human attitude and behavior, we
experimented on our visiting family members.
And, how did this experiment work out?
Jay finally lost his extra 10 Christmas Cookie
pounds. (Did you know just 3 Christmas cookies
a day can add 1.5 pounds in a week?)
My sister lost the 60 pounds shed gained with
the births of her two daughters
My then 80 year-old mother lost 10 pounds
(just by doing one simple thing) 
My 47 year-old brother lost 18 pounds and was able to get off of
his statin medications 
And, I discovered I could make time for and actually enjoy walking.
Whoa!

We were on to something big!

The BIG is what makes LoneStart different from other wellness programs.
LoneStart Wellness is based on established principles of social neuroscience
and behavioral economics, and what we know about team-building and small
group dynamics.

Our operating premise became that personally-relevant
messaging and realistic expectations would result in
positive, sustainable lifestyle changes.
And, for an organization, that means
healthier, happier, more engaged and more productive
employees.
We sat down with our Family Practice doc (one of the good guys in medicine)
to tell him what we were up to. He was so excited he volunteered his patients
most at risk for type 2 diabetes, metabolic syndrome, and other preventable
chronic illnesses for our beta-tests.
Based on our beta test successes, we then took our program to the Texas
Organization of Rural and Community Hospitals (TORCH).

TORCH operates in about 150 rural Texas
communities that have a higher than average
incidence of preventable chronic illness, few
resources and are under-served by traditional
wellness providers.

This presented both a challenge and an
opportunity.
What one does is what counts, not what one had the
intention of doing.

~ Pablo Picasso
In 2006 we began signing-up TORCH members and other hospitals.
Real Results with Real People!
Christina Benavides, Administrative Assistant at Otto Kaiser
Memorial Hospital, worked alongside with her father, a
Pharmacy Tech / Supervisor in his mid-fifties. Together they
were part of the LoneStart Wellness Initiative at Otto Kaiser.
Christina says she saw her fathers lifestyle totally change
before her eyes. During the 63-day LoneStart Challenge, he
lost 17 pounds and 2.4 BMI points.

He is my inspiration, yet again, says Christina.

We have lots of great stories like this one.
And, Heres a Real Testimonial
What impresses me most is the fact that six years after we completed our
LoneStartNow Team Esteem Challenge, our healthier behaviors are still
evident. A new culture has taken hold here that is reflected in my hospital
kitchen, my bottom line, and in the lives of my employees and their

families.. LoneStart Wellness has never been more timely or more
important. It is the best investment Ive ever made as a hospital
administrator.
~ Raz Cook, FACHE, Administrator, ETMC Fairfield

And, we have lots more of these too!
We became endorsed business partners for TORCH Management Services
Inc. (TMSI)

We were selected by Texas AHEC East to
provide wellness content for their 111
county healthy community initiative.

We became business partners of the National Cooperative
of Health Networks (NCHN)
Here are some sample results from early
Initiatives, 2006 -2008

*
*

*At the time the average cost per participant was $50

*

Dr. Dee Edingtons findings in his 2006 study Association of Healthcare Costs with Per Unit Body Mass Index
Increase. This study is broadly recognized as the industry standard, and using a population of nearly 36,000
employees, it showed that an individuals body mass index (BMI) is highly correlated with medical and
pharmaceutical claims costs. Even a slight decrease in an employees BMI of just one point is associated with a
$202.30 decrease in medical and pharmaceutical claims costs over one year.
But, along the way  we hit a few bumps.

Those dreaded Obstacles.

The challenge was  how to get past them.
Gee Rocky, maybe you cant get there from here.
~ Bullwinkle J. Moose
Credit cards were maxed-out.

Savings, life insurance and
retirement were cashed-in.
Money was borrowed
from family and friends
just to keep things going.

This part was (is) NOT fun.
Who knew it would be so hard to
sell wellness?
So, whats the big deal about WELLNESS?

Why would we risk EVERYTHING to provide
something a lot of people dont even want (even
when they need it most)?

What keeps us going?
This is what keeps
us going
Today chronic diseases are responsible for more than half of all deaths in
the world and are projected to account for two-thirds of all deaths globally
in the next 25 years, Pricewaterhouse Coopers (PwC) proposes that
organizations have a clear interest in investing in wellness initiatives for

four major reasons:
 Chronic disease drives healthcare costs.
 Productivity losses associated with chronic disease are even greater than
the medical costs themselves.
 Workplace wellness efforts can positively impact human capital
investments.
 Sustainability is threatened by the epidemic of chronic disease.
(This is BIG)

This is what REALLY keeps us going

Researchers have recently concluded that an average population-wide
weight loss of 8 to 11 pounds (about 1.3 BMI points) could reduce diabetes
mortality by half, and chronic heart disease mortality by a third. (British
Medical Journal)

We know this is possible. Weve
been proving it for 8 years!
Still More Obstacles 

Weve learned to treat setbacks as guides, not brakes.
The problem is not the problem. The problem is your
attitude about the problem.

~ Jack Sparrow
In addition to being severely under-funded (mostly non-funded) we found
that in order to address wellness, we had to actually

define it.

Thats not as easy as it might seem.
Wellness is like poetry.
Think of wellness as you would think of poetry.
While we can all probably recite a poem of some
kind, can we all define poetry? Probably not.

This is how wellness is like poetry.

Theyre both abstract concepts.

?
Wellness is more, much more, and more
complicated than the absence of being ill.

Its a state of being, a state
of mind, a state of
change, and it is very much
a lifestyle.
And, one of the greatest obstacles was convincing
employers that wellness really does matter, that they
can see a return on their investment, and that
preventable chronic illness is a problem that must be
addressed.
And, even more than a Return on Investment, they will see a Return on
Quality of Life (QOL). This leads to other significant changes within the
organization.

More on that to come
We had to overcome what we call wellness fatigue and convince
employers that LoneStart Wellness is not the same-old, same-old, tired and
failed wellness program that only focuses on diet and exercise.

Our behavioral strategy helps participants create lifestyle changes that
change lives.
Wellness has to be moved from a back burner issue to an
organizational priority.
Some additional obstacles actually came from
unexpected insights 
We knew what started as a good idea was turning into a great thing. Our

behavioral strategy was getting results.

But, we also knew that to create a sustainable

behavior change wellness model we needed a

better business model.
What have we learned?
Do or do not. There is no try.

~ Yoda
We learned wellness is viral. But, 
What in the World is Viral Wellness?
We say we all canand musthelp spread a new
wellness pandemic.

In any given social group, including
the workplace, we know that
behavior is contagious.
Do You Know . . . ?
Your chances of becoming obese
increase by 57 percent if one of your
friends is obese, 40 percent if its a
sibling, and 37 percent if your spouse is

obese.

__Nicholas Christakis, MD, PhD, MPH, and

James Fowler, PhD, published in New England Journal of
Medicine

So, behavior is contagious
But, look at the flip side.
You are influenced by those in your
social networkbut you also influence
others. And, you can do so

deliberately.
You can also look for opportunities to

nudge those around you into more
positive and healthier behaviors,
understanding that you will move in that
direction as well.
However, theres a big difference between a
Nudge and a Shove.
(Unfortunately, most employers dont understand the
difference.)

You cant mandate a change of heart
and you cant drag people kicking
and screaming into wellness 

But, you can provide them with the toolkit needed to mindfully moderate
lifestyle behavior choices.

Were really good at this part.
More things weve learned  and want to share 

People want to be wellbut, they must
be intrinsically motivated to make
lasting changes in lifestyle behaviors
(this pretty much rules out carrots and
sticks).

Were really good at this part too.
Its easy to get fit people to participate in a wellness initiative. The challenge is
to craft a message that will engage the 20 percent of any population who are
most at risk for preventable chronic illness. These individuals account for as
much as 80 percent of an organizations healthcare costs and are the least-likely
to participate in traditional wellness offerings.

And, guess where things are headed?
LoneStarts Team Esteem Challenge creates short-cycle, teambuilding opportunities that improve communication and build trust
and cooperation. A Me Problem becomes a We Opportunity

when employer and employees join together in a common and
mutually beneficial causecreating a new culture of well-being
within their organization.
Simply put 
Before you can get in shape from
the neck down, you have to first get
in shape from the neck up. (Its a
retrain your brain kind of thing.)
This is not as easy as it might sound.
Most wellness programs underperform
because they fail to motivate and
sustain behavior change.
Employees have to believe the wellness initiative is being
done FOR them, not TO them. And they
absolutely, positively have to believe in their hearts two
things:

This is worth it. I can do this.
And, the Ah-ha Moment
After 8 years in the trenches we saw a lot of money spent on
traditional diet and exercise programs designed with lots of bells and
whistles. But, theyre expensive, a burden to administer, and they lack
the nuts and bolts necessary to change behavior.

Think of us as the Nuts
and Bolts guys.
And, because we focus on the nuts and bolts, we
dont have to charge that much to do what we do.

(We may be inexpensive, but were not cheap.)
Here we
are
today
Weve come a long way, but, were not
there yet
Vision is the art of seeing things invisible.

~ Jonathan Swift
We have an Advisory Board.

Our Accountant, Frank
(poor Frank)

(Theyre a bunch of good eggs.)

Who is this guy?

Kinnie Parker, MPH, CHES

Me (I snuck myself in)

Linda Jones, MSPH
Jay (co-founder & Honcho)
Weve expanded our program to a 12-month Initiative, with
wellness modules, e-presentationsand more!

Weve added a client portal to our website.
Were getting better at selling the benefits
of wellness with a more targeted message 

But were still struggling to find a way to reach
a wider audience. If we can make a difference
in rural Texas, we know can make a greater
difference through employers everywhere.

And, fortunately (or unfortunately), the need
for what we offer is rapidly expanding.
This is our USP
We offer a well-conceived, clearly-defined behavioral strategy

that engages both employer and employees in a shared, positive,
transparent and non-punitive initiative, one that delivers multiple
benefits beyond cost savings, including improved morale,
communication, engagement, and productivity.
And, this is how we
do it
 by reframing the entire wellness conversation so it is
non-judgmental, positive rather than negative, focuses on

processes rather than outcomes, and carefully manages
expectations. We create an environment that fosters wellbeing, so healthier behaviors can be
learned, adopted, shared and sustained.
If youve made it this far, thanks. And, if you want to
find out more, heres our contact info:

www.lonestartnow.com

Or, just give us a call: 512.894.3440

P.O. Box 1188, Dripping Springs, Texas 78620
This may be the end of the presentation, but were just getting started.

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Creating a culture -through engaging in wellness

  • 1. How LoneStartNow is Creating a Culture of WellnessThrough Employee Engagement And how were making wellness viral
  • 3. It was a dark and stormy night wait wrong story Way back, in the beginning The idea of LoneStart Wellness came about as a result of some very powerful eventswatching family members health decline, the avoidable death of a good friend, seeing so much confusing and conflicting information about health, and a car breakdown in the middle of absolutely nowhere (dont ask).
  • 4. As our business has developed, weve learned that were in more than the wellness business. We are in the engagement business. We are in the business of creating cultures within organizations. This is big! The worlds top-performing organizations understand that employee engagement is a force that drives performance outcomes. In the best organizations, engagement is more than a human resources initiativeit is a strategic foundation for the way they do business. __Gallup Engagement is the current business hot button.
  • 5. Its impossible said Pride. Its risky said Experience. Its pointless said Reason. Give it a try whispered the Heart. ~ Anonymous
  • 6. We are the two LoneStart Wellness co-founders Melinda West Seifert (me) and Steven J. (Jay) Seifert. Jay and I took our education, (his an M.A. in social psychology from Tulane University and mine, an M.S. in allied health from Tulane), our professional experience, and our lifelong interest in good health, and turned our focus toward wellness. This is us (yes were marriedto each other)
  • 7. The year: 2005. We had twin daughters in college, lots of expenses. But, we had an idea for a new business and, we had conviction. We also had a number of people ask if we were crazy. We had some savings (total amount shown here) and a plan. We spent the first year developing materials for our new Wellness Program.
  • 8. At the time, Atkins was all the rage. Three cheeseburgers a day and steak wrapped in bacon for dinner? Excuse me? That cant be right. Thats not good.
  • 9. There had to be a better way.
  • 10. When Katrina struck New Orleans, my video producer brother, Glen West, and family, stayed with us in Austin for about 4 weeks. He produced our first wellness introductory video to go along with the original (each hand punched and bound, produced entirely in-house, literally) workbook. (Weve come a long way since those early days.)
  • 11. We had the crazy thought that despite what everyone else was saying, all of us really This isnt really Jay, but actually, his hair looks just like this already had everything we needed to live healthier lives. Using what we know about human attitude and behavior, we experimented on our visiting family members.
  • 12. And, how did this experiment work out? Jay finally lost his extra 10 Christmas Cookie pounds. (Did you know just 3 Christmas cookies a day can add 1.5 pounds in a week?) My sister lost the 60 pounds shed gained with the births of her two daughters My then 80 year-old mother lost 10 pounds (just by doing one simple thing) My 47 year-old brother lost 18 pounds and was able to get off of his statin medications And, I discovered I could make time for and actually enjoy walking.
  • 13. Whoa! We were on to something big! The BIG is what makes LoneStart different from other wellness programs. LoneStart Wellness is based on established principles of social neuroscience and behavioral economics, and what we know about team-building and small group dynamics. Our operating premise became that personally-relevant messaging and realistic expectations would result in positive, sustainable lifestyle changes. And, for an organization, that means healthier, happier, more engaged and more productive employees.
  • 14. We sat down with our Family Practice doc (one of the good guys in medicine) to tell him what we were up to. He was so excited he volunteered his patients most at risk for type 2 diabetes, metabolic syndrome, and other preventable chronic illnesses for our beta-tests.
  • 15. Based on our beta test successes, we then took our program to the Texas Organization of Rural and Community Hospitals (TORCH). TORCH operates in about 150 rural Texas communities that have a higher than average incidence of preventable chronic illness, few resources and are under-served by traditional wellness providers. This presented both a challenge and an opportunity.
  • 16. What one does is what counts, not what one had the intention of doing. ~ Pablo Picasso
  • 17. In 2006 we began signing-up TORCH members and other hospitals.
  • 18. Real Results with Real People! Christina Benavides, Administrative Assistant at Otto Kaiser Memorial Hospital, worked alongside with her father, a Pharmacy Tech / Supervisor in his mid-fifties. Together they were part of the LoneStart Wellness Initiative at Otto Kaiser. Christina says she saw her fathers lifestyle totally change before her eyes. During the 63-day LoneStart Challenge, he lost 17 pounds and 2.4 BMI points. He is my inspiration, yet again, says Christina. We have lots of great stories like this one.
  • 19. And, Heres a Real Testimonial What impresses me most is the fact that six years after we completed our LoneStartNow Team Esteem Challenge, our healthier behaviors are still evident. A new culture has taken hold here that is reflected in my hospital kitchen, my bottom line, and in the lives of my employees and their families.. LoneStart Wellness has never been more timely or more important. It is the best investment Ive ever made as a hospital administrator. ~ Raz Cook, FACHE, Administrator, ETMC Fairfield And, we have lots more of these too!
  • 20. We became endorsed business partners for TORCH Management Services Inc. (TMSI) We were selected by Texas AHEC East to provide wellness content for their 111 county healthy community initiative. We became business partners of the National Cooperative of Health Networks (NCHN)
  • 21. Here are some sample results from early Initiatives, 2006 -2008 * * *At the time the average cost per participant was $50 * Dr. Dee Edingtons findings in his 2006 study Association of Healthcare Costs with Per Unit Body Mass Index Increase. This study is broadly recognized as the industry standard, and using a population of nearly 36,000 employees, it showed that an individuals body mass index (BMI) is highly correlated with medical and pharmaceutical claims costs. Even a slight decrease in an employees BMI of just one point is associated with a $202.30 decrease in medical and pharmaceutical claims costs over one year.
  • 22. But, along the way we hit a few bumps. Those dreaded Obstacles. The challenge was how to get past them.
  • 23. Gee Rocky, maybe you cant get there from here. ~ Bullwinkle J. Moose
  • 24. Credit cards were maxed-out. Savings, life insurance and retirement were cashed-in. Money was borrowed from family and friends just to keep things going. This part was (is) NOT fun.
  • 25. Who knew it would be so hard to sell wellness?
  • 26. So, whats the big deal about WELLNESS? Why would we risk EVERYTHING to provide something a lot of people dont even want (even when they need it most)? What keeps us going?
  • 27. This is what keeps us going Today chronic diseases are responsible for more than half of all deaths in the world and are projected to account for two-thirds of all deaths globally in the next 25 years, Pricewaterhouse Coopers (PwC) proposes that organizations have a clear interest in investing in wellness initiatives for four major reasons: Chronic disease drives healthcare costs. Productivity losses associated with chronic disease are even greater than the medical costs themselves. Workplace wellness efforts can positively impact human capital investments. Sustainability is threatened by the epidemic of chronic disease.
  • 28. (This is BIG) This is what REALLY keeps us going Researchers have recently concluded that an average population-wide weight loss of 8 to 11 pounds (about 1.3 BMI points) could reduce diabetes mortality by half, and chronic heart disease mortality by a third. (British Medical Journal) We know this is possible. Weve been proving it for 8 years!
  • 29. Still More Obstacles Weve learned to treat setbacks as guides, not brakes.
  • 30. The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem. ~ Jack Sparrow
  • 31. In addition to being severely under-funded (mostly non-funded) we found that in order to address wellness, we had to actually define it. Thats not as easy as it might seem.
  • 32. Wellness is like poetry. Think of wellness as you would think of poetry. While we can all probably recite a poem of some kind, can we all define poetry? Probably not. This is how wellness is like poetry. Theyre both abstract concepts. ?
  • 33. Wellness is more, much more, and more complicated than the absence of being ill. Its a state of being, a state of mind, a state of change, and it is very much a lifestyle.
  • 34. And, one of the greatest obstacles was convincing employers that wellness really does matter, that they can see a return on their investment, and that preventable chronic illness is a problem that must be addressed. And, even more than a Return on Investment, they will see a Return on Quality of Life (QOL). This leads to other significant changes within the organization. More on that to come
  • 35. We had to overcome what we call wellness fatigue and convince employers that LoneStart Wellness is not the same-old, same-old, tired and failed wellness program that only focuses on diet and exercise. Our behavioral strategy helps participants create lifestyle changes that change lives.
  • 36. Wellness has to be moved from a back burner issue to an organizational priority.
  • 37. Some additional obstacles actually came from unexpected insights We knew what started as a good idea was turning into a great thing. Our behavioral strategy was getting results. But, we also knew that to create a sustainable behavior change wellness model we needed a better business model.
  • 38. What have we learned?
  • 39. Do or do not. There is no try. ~ Yoda
  • 40. We learned wellness is viral. But, What in the World is Viral Wellness?
  • 41. We say we all canand musthelp spread a new wellness pandemic. In any given social group, including the workplace, we know that behavior is contagious.
  • 42. Do You Know . . . ? Your chances of becoming obese increase by 57 percent if one of your friends is obese, 40 percent if its a sibling, and 37 percent if your spouse is obese. __Nicholas Christakis, MD, PhD, MPH, and James Fowler, PhD, published in New England Journal of Medicine So, behavior is contagious
  • 43. But, look at the flip side. You are influenced by those in your social networkbut you also influence others. And, you can do so deliberately. You can also look for opportunities to nudge those around you into more positive and healthier behaviors, understanding that you will move in that direction as well.
  • 44. However, theres a big difference between a Nudge and a Shove. (Unfortunately, most employers dont understand the difference.) You cant mandate a change of heart and you cant drag people kicking and screaming into wellness But, you can provide them with the toolkit needed to mindfully moderate lifestyle behavior choices. Were really good at this part.
  • 45. More things weve learned and want to share People want to be wellbut, they must be intrinsically motivated to make lasting changes in lifestyle behaviors (this pretty much rules out carrots and sticks). Were really good at this part too.
  • 46. Its easy to get fit people to participate in a wellness initiative. The challenge is to craft a message that will engage the 20 percent of any population who are most at risk for preventable chronic illness. These individuals account for as much as 80 percent of an organizations healthcare costs and are the least-likely to participate in traditional wellness offerings. And, guess where things are headed?
  • 47. LoneStarts Team Esteem Challenge creates short-cycle, teambuilding opportunities that improve communication and build trust and cooperation. A Me Problem becomes a We Opportunity when employer and employees join together in a common and mutually beneficial causecreating a new culture of well-being within their organization.
  • 48. Simply put Before you can get in shape from the neck down, you have to first get in shape from the neck up. (Its a retrain your brain kind of thing.) This is not as easy as it might sound. Most wellness programs underperform because they fail to motivate and sustain behavior change.
  • 49. Employees have to believe the wellness initiative is being done FOR them, not TO them. And they absolutely, positively have to believe in their hearts two things: This is worth it. I can do this.
  • 50. And, the Ah-ha Moment
  • 51. After 8 years in the trenches we saw a lot of money spent on traditional diet and exercise programs designed with lots of bells and whistles. But, theyre expensive, a burden to administer, and they lack the nuts and bolts necessary to change behavior. Think of us as the Nuts and Bolts guys. And, because we focus on the nuts and bolts, we dont have to charge that much to do what we do. (We may be inexpensive, but were not cheap.)
  • 53. Weve come a long way, but, were not there yet
  • 54. Vision is the art of seeing things invisible. ~ Jonathan Swift
  • 55. We have an Advisory Board. Our Accountant, Frank (poor Frank) (Theyre a bunch of good eggs.) Who is this guy? Kinnie Parker, MPH, CHES Me (I snuck myself in) Linda Jones, MSPH Jay (co-founder & Honcho)
  • 56. Weve expanded our program to a 12-month Initiative, with wellness modules, e-presentationsand more! Weve added a client portal to our website.
  • 57. Were getting better at selling the benefits of wellness with a more targeted message But were still struggling to find a way to reach a wider audience. If we can make a difference in rural Texas, we know can make a greater difference through employers everywhere. And, fortunately (or unfortunately), the need for what we offer is rapidly expanding.
  • 58. This is our USP We offer a well-conceived, clearly-defined behavioral strategy that engages both employer and employees in a shared, positive, transparent and non-punitive initiative, one that delivers multiple benefits beyond cost savings, including improved morale, communication, engagement, and productivity.
  • 59. And, this is how we do it by reframing the entire wellness conversation so it is non-judgmental, positive rather than negative, focuses on processes rather than outcomes, and carefully manages expectations. We create an environment that fosters wellbeing, so healthier behaviors can be learned, adopted, shared and sustained.
  • 60. If youve made it this far, thanks. And, if you want to find out more, heres our contact info: www.lonestartnow.com Or, just give us a call: 512.894.3440 P.O. Box 1188, Dripping Springs, Texas 78620
  • 61. This may be the end of the presentation, but were just getting started.