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Chris Windridge
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Local Briefing. Since this presentation, Tandridge District Council has announced support for CPO action if a suitable development comes forward and in September 2012 has issued a notice requiring site improvements, or it will apply for a demolition order. In 2013 a Task and Finish group has been set up by Tandridge District Council, to provide a report covering policy and potential actions. Various groups are involved in providing evidence and feedback, including the original R&Y focus group and the CR3 Forum.

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Rose & Young Nov 16th 2011 ABC/ Rose & Young Focus Group Julia Church Andrew Browne Malcolm Clark Simon Flatt Marc Hansen Chris Windridge
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Rose & Young to Date John Young R&Y Mercedes Early 1980s Built 1930s Caterham Motor Co Rootes Family R&Y moves to Redhill 1994
Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000 Cat Properties Buy R&Y site 贈1.4M 1996/2001 TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parker 1997 Planning for Office 3,400 M2. 4 flrs parking Bought & sold during town study. Young sells for 贈900K Resold to Cat Prop R&Y moves to Redhill 1994 Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at 贈600K by TDC
Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000 Cat Properties Buy R&Y site 贈1.4M 1996/2001 TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parker 2004/ 2006 Demolition threat & Condition actions by TDC. Fine. ABC formed in 2006. Survey 2007 Backs action Nov 2003 Office Planning Renewed WC issue Client walks Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at 贈600K by TDC
Rose & Young to Date 2008. New Mixed Use rumours. Social Housing provision hits & talk of splitting site. Switch of contact to Powers Oct 2008 R&Y listed in Core Strategy. LDF Approved 2010. SCC Hub plans stall. Action Group formed July 2009. Approach to 6 developers in 2010. Continuing contact with potential investors. GB Solns possible + others. Power says he is in charge and The Owner. He & agent seen in town and claim plans to be submitted. Appears to be a significantly larger development Bank of Ireland 贈1.9M loan & NAMA. Localism Bill & Plan Oct 09/11 Recent talks with owner, GB + 1. CPO to force issue?
Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000 Cat Properties Buy R&Y site 贈1.4M John Young R&Y Mercedes Early 1980s Built 1930s Caterham Motor Co Rootes Family 1996/2001 TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parker 2004/ 2006 Demolition threat & Condition actions by TDC. Fine. ABC formed in 2006. Survey 2007 Backs action 1997 Planning for Office 3,400 M2. 4 flrs parking Bought & sold during town study. Young sells for 贈900K Resold to Cat Prop R&Y moves to Redhill 1994 Nov 2003 Office Planning Renewed WC issue Client walks Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at 贈600K by TDC 2008. New Mixed Use rumours. Social Housing provision hits & talk of splitting site. Switch of contact to Powers Oct 2008 R&Y listed in Core Strategy. LDF Approved 2010. SCC Hub plans stall. Action Group formed July 2009. Approach to 6 developers in 2010. Continuing contact with potential investors. GB Solns possible + others. Power says he is in charge and The Owner. He & agent seen in town and claim plans to be submitted. Appears to be a significantly larger development Bank of Ireland 贈1.9M loan & NAMA. Localism Bill & Plan Oct 09/11 Recent talks with owner, GB + 1. CPO to force issue?
Rose & Young Present & Future Conclusion 17 yrs being empty, no current planning consent, ownership Queries and owners unresponsive to market enquiries. No rates Damage to town Lost opportunity
Obstacles Owners and ownership/Deadlock Planning consent Change of use & scale? Lack of Leadership from TDC Councils experience of CPO Money Climate
Possible Solutions Owner develops themselves - forced or otherwise CPO process initiated to unblock situation Owner sells to a +ve developer Neighbourhood plan backs action CPO backed by TDC, with funding options available. Any other feasible uses?
Other ideas Mixed use Showroom Listing/heritage Health/Hotel/Cinema/Hub/Start up units Temporary Wall art Car park Bigger Picture - Planning land swap - Joint Venture
How can Councillors help? Endorse getting an opinion by Tandridge on CPO Build confidence and pressure on colleagues for action Be Community champions Councillors to push for higher priority & profile Lets make it happen
Next steps Share info with Planning TDC start to be pro-active. Town Centre working group? TDC get legal view on CPO viability Planners to push for visibility of plans or face consequences (CPO) commercial assessment? Wall art, plans or other community/clean up A Neighbourhood Plan is coming Ask for a meeting with owner, with TDC, councillors and town group .

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  • 1. Rose & Young Nov 16th 2011 ABC/ Rose & Young Focus Group Julia Church Andrew Browne Malcolm Clark Simon Flatt Marc Hansen Chris Windridge
  • 9. Rose & Young to Date John Young R&Y Mercedes Early 1980s Built 1930s Caterham Motor Co Rootes Family R&Y moves to Redhill 1994
  • 10. Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000 Cat Properties Buy R&Y site 贈1.4M 1996/2001 TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parker 1997 Planning for Office 3,400 M2. 4 flrs parking Bought & sold during town study. Young sells for 贈900K Resold to Cat Prop R&Y moves to Redhill 1994 Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at 贈600K by TDC
  • 11. Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000 Cat Properties Buy R&Y site 贈1.4M 1996/2001 TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parker 2004/ 2006 Demolition threat & Condition actions by TDC. Fine. ABC formed in 2006. Survey 2007 Backs action Nov 2003 Office Planning Renewed WC issue Client walks Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at 贈600K by TDC
  • 12. Rose & Young to Date 2008. New Mixed Use rumours. Social Housing provision hits & talk of splitting site. Switch of contact to Powers Oct 2008 R&Y listed in Core Strategy. LDF Approved 2010. SCC Hub plans stall. Action Group formed July 2009. Approach to 6 developers in 2010. Continuing contact with potential investors. GB Solns possible + others. Power says he is in charge and The Owner. He & agent seen in town and claim plans to be submitted. Appears to be a significantly larger development Bank of Ireland 贈1.9M loan & NAMA. Localism Bill & Plan Oct 09/11 Recent talks with owner, GB + 1. CPO to force issue?
  • 13. Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000 Cat Properties Buy R&Y site 贈1.4M John Young R&Y Mercedes Early 1980s Built 1930s Caterham Motor Co Rootes Family 1996/2001 TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parker 2004/ 2006 Demolition threat & Condition actions by TDC. Fine. ABC formed in 2006. Survey 2007 Backs action 1997 Planning for Office 3,400 M2. 4 flrs parking Bought & sold during town study. Young sells for 贈900K Resold to Cat Prop R&Y moves to Redhill 1994 Nov 2003 Office Planning Renewed WC issue Client walks Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at 贈600K by TDC 2008. New Mixed Use rumours. Social Housing provision hits & talk of splitting site. Switch of contact to Powers Oct 2008 R&Y listed in Core Strategy. LDF Approved 2010. SCC Hub plans stall. Action Group formed July 2009. Approach to 6 developers in 2010. Continuing contact with potential investors. GB Solns possible + others. Power says he is in charge and The Owner. He & agent seen in town and claim plans to be submitted. Appears to be a significantly larger development Bank of Ireland 贈1.9M loan & NAMA. Localism Bill & Plan Oct 09/11 Recent talks with owner, GB + 1. CPO to force issue?
  • 14. Rose & Young Present & Future Conclusion 17 yrs being empty, no current planning consent, ownership Queries and owners unresponsive to market enquiries. No rates Damage to town Lost opportunity
  • 15. Obstacles Owners and ownership/Deadlock Planning consent Change of use & scale? Lack of Leadership from TDC Councils experience of CPO Money Climate
  • 16. Possible Solutions Owner develops themselves - forced or otherwise CPO process initiated to unblock situation Owner sells to a +ve developer Neighbourhood plan backs action CPO backed by TDC, with funding options available. Any other feasible uses?
  • 17. Other ideas Mixed use Showroom Listing/heritage Health/Hotel/Cinema/Hub/Start up units Temporary Wall art Car park Bigger Picture - Planning land swap - Joint Venture
  • 18. How can Councillors help? Endorse getting an opinion by Tandridge on CPO Build confidence and pressure on colleagues for action Be Community champions Councillors to push for higher priority & profile Lets make it happen
  • 19. Next steps Share info with Planning TDC start to be pro-active. Town Centre working group? TDC get legal view on CPO viability Planners to push for visibility of plans or face consequences (CPO) commercial assessment? Wall art, plans or other community/clean up A Neighbourhood Plan is coming Ask for a meeting with owner, with TDC, councillors and town group .

Editor's Notes

  1. Same as last slide Retail Market shares: Local 25% (50% of shoppers) Area 6% (25% of shoppers) Trip 2% (15% of shoppers) Retail Potential : Local 贈115M (贈 28M) Area 贈230M ( 贈15M) Trip 贈412M ( 贈8M) Town Actual 贈50M Town extra 1% (贈1M + 贈2M + 贈4M) So, 75% of those living locally do retail shopping elsewhere . Approx 贈150M a year.
  2. Same as last slide Retail Market shares: Local 25% (50% of shoppers) Area 6% (25% of shoppers) Trip 2% (15% of shoppers) Retail Potential : Local 贈115M (贈 28M) Area 贈230M ( 贈15M) Trip 贈412M ( 贈8M) Town Actual 贈50M Town extra 1% (贈1M + 贈2M + 贈4M) So, 75% of those living locally do retail shopping elsewhere . Approx 贈150M a year.
  3. Same as last slide Retail Market shares: Local 25% (50% of shoppers) Area 6% (25% of shoppers) Trip 2% (15% of shoppers) Retail Potential : Local 贈115M (贈 28M) Area 贈230M ( 贈15M) Trip 贈412M ( 贈8M) Town Actual 贈50M Town extra 1% (贈1M + 贈2M + 贈4M) So, 75% of those living locally do retail shopping elsewhere . Approx 贈150M a year.
  4. Same as last slide Retail Market shares: Local 25% (50% of shoppers) Area 6% (25% of shoppers) Trip 2% (15% of shoppers) Retail Potential : Local 贈115M (贈 28M) Area 贈230M ( 贈15M) Trip 贈412M ( 贈8M) Town Actual 贈50M Town extra 1% (贈1M + 贈2M + 贈4M) So, 75% of those living locally do retail shopping elsewhere . Approx 贈150M a year.
  5. Same as last slide Retail Market shares: Local 25% (50% of shoppers) Area 6% (25% of shoppers) Trip 2% (15% of shoppers) Retail Potential : Local 贈115M (贈 28M) Area 贈230M ( 贈15M) Trip 贈412M ( 贈8M) Town Actual 贈50M Town extra 1% (贈1M + 贈2M + 贈4M) So, 75% of those living locally do retail shopping elsewhere . Approx 贈150M a year.
  6. Gildersleve. Deep pockets.
  7. Simon.
  8. Ideas from them. Kitchenor