My new map is on and it is about p-zombies!
No real p-zombies exist in any probable way, but a lot of ideas about them have been suggested. This map is the map of ideas. It may be fun or may be useful.
The most useful application of p-zombies research is to determine whether we could loose something important during uploading.
We have to solve the problem of consciousness before we will be uploaded. It will be the most stupid end of the world: everybody is alive and happy but everybody is p-zombie.
Most ideas here are from Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Lesswrong wiki, Rational wiki, recent post of EY and from works of Chalmers and Dennett. Some ideas are mine.
The pdf is here.
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The map of p-zombies
1. Type Illustrations Description World model in
which it is real
Representa-
tives
Assessment
of the model
0.
Crypro p-zombie
My copies which are
not me.
These copies do have
qualia, and the same
qialia as me, but they
just not me.
The idea appears in
discussion of personal
identity and upload-
ing where people claim
that a copy could be
not equal to the origi-
nal.
Physicalism must
be false, soul or
continuity of
consciousness
must exist as real
nature.
Can’t be measured by
any known methods
by definition
1.
“Normal” p-zombies A copy of me
without any
experiences.
It is used as an
argument against
physicalism
Physicalism must
be false, dualism
is true, if it exists
Counterarguments:
Our ability to speak
about consciousness
(EY);
Physicalsists casual
closer of the world
2.
Behavioral p-zombie
A copy of me which
has the same behavior,
but different
internal mechanisms.
Most typical example:
a copy of me in a com-
puter, after uploading
Rationalwiki: “A
p-zombie might just
be behaviorally indis-
tinguishable from a
human being. Dissect-
ing such a zombie, we
might find that it dif-
fers completely from a
real human being.”
Large China room copy
of me (prerecorded an-
swers to all possible
questions)
Physicalism
doesn’t provide
clear answer in
this case, as we do
not know neural
correlate of
consciousness
Some of such p-zombies
must be real, like me in
the mirror.
2b.
Functional p-zombie
“A p-zombie might be
functionally equivalent
with human beings.
That is, such a p-zom-
bie might have a brain
made of wires and
transistors, but those
wires and transistors
would correspond to
the axons and neurons
of a human brain, and
it would be possible to
map one to the other.”
RatinalWIKI
2c.
Neurological zombie
A zombie which is hu-
man but is not a copy
of any particlar human
being which has con-
sciousness.
“A neurological zombie
that has a human brain
and is generally physi-
ologically indistinguish-
able from a human”
wiki
3.
Inverted qualia
zombie
A copy of me is con-
ceivable with inverted
qualia specter.
It can’t be measured
or expressed in words.
Qualia here are like
designation of vari-
ables in calculations
3a. A subtype here is
a copy with completely
different qualia
3b. Inverted Earth. All
the Earth is mirrored.
SEP
Light form of
epiphenomenalism
I am not sure about
their possibility
4.
Others as zombies
Me from the
outside viewer
position.
It is connected with
“other minds problem”.
I can’t prove that oth-
ers have conscious-
ness.
Metaphysics
is impossible in
Kantian way.
I can’t prove that others
have qualia, and have
to use analogy, which
has limited power to
prove.
5.
Possible p-zombies
Other modal me as
p-zombies.
For example “possible
me” consists of all the
same elements as me,
but must lack qualia (if
modal realism is false
and mathematical uni-
verse is false)
Counterfactual mug-
ging thought experi-
ment - maybe updated
for qualia, if Omega
asks possible me if its
expected answer is
yes.
It is more like illustra-
tion of idea that some
type of p-zombies is
possible.
6.
Super-zombie Someone, who claim to
be more consciousness
than me, and to have a
kind of (enlighted) ex-
periences which I can’t
have.
I am a zombie from his
point of view.
Dualism or
other idealistic
world model
Advaita and some
types of zen, Zo-
gchen and other
forms of Bud-
dhism
Gurdjiev
Zen
7.
Auto-zombie
I think that I have sub-
jective experience, but
it is only illusion.
Nothing like qualia
exist
Pure physicalism is
true.
So it is a zombie
whp thinks that he
is not a zombie,
but everybody is
zombie
So it is a zombie whp
thinks that he is not a
zombie, but everybody
is zombie
7-1
Blocked zombie
A normal person whos
ability to experience
qualia is blocked by so
called blockers.
This idea is used as an
argument to show in-
completeness of physi-
calism
See SEP
8.
Philosophical ghosts
Pure experience
without body
“Philip Goff (2010)
suggests that this
loophole for Russellian
versions of physicalism
weakens the zombie
argument. He recom-
mends instead an ar-
gument from ghosts:
pure subjects of ex-
perience without any
physical nature.” (SEP)
9.
Conceivable zombie
Zombie which we could
think about.
See chapter in SEP.
Three levels of pos-
sibility: conceivable,
self-consistent and
possible.
10-1.
Pseudo zombie or
troll zombie
A person who has
consciousness but
claim that he does not
have it or doesn’t have
qualia.
He is either uneducat-
ed (don’t know where
to look), or real zom-
bie, or troll-zombie
10-2
Masked zombie
A person who doesn’t
have consciousness
but claim that he has it
or has qualia, and con-
sciously lying.
10-3.
True zombie
A person without qual-
ia who claims that he
don’t have qualia
10-4.
Not zombie
A person who has
qualia and claims to
have them
11.
Nonhuman
p-zombies
It could be AIs or
aliens or animals
Non human who claims
that he has experienc-
es
Non human who claim
that he has not qualia
and consciousness
12.
Incomprehensible
zombie
A mind about which
we can’t know if he is
zombie or not.
In fact all other minds.
13.
Image-based
zombie
Videorecording or mir-
ror reflection of a per-
son
14.
China room thought
experiment, GLUT-
p-zombie
A Big China room
which consists of re-
cording of all possible
answers of a person.
If such recording was
made from actual per-
son, it is zombie now,
but it wasn’t in the
moment of recording
15.
Fading qualia
zombie
A mind who’s experi-
ences gradually dimin-
ish in “brightness”.
It was suggested as
thought experiment
by Chalmers and was
prove to be impossible
Chalmers
16
Dancing qualia
This zombie has bio-
logical part which could
be replaced by com-
puter part by a switch.
Chalmers
link
17.
Blinking zombie
A mind who’s stream
of consciousness is
constantly interrupted,
so it consists of slices,
but is not continuous.
It may be used to
proved that continuity
of consciousness if not
important.
A copy with absent
slices is used in Per-
mutation city by Egan
to prove the flux uni-
verse.
19.
Non existence
19a A person or world
that has neither body,
no experiences.
19b Logically
Impossible mind
20.
Anti Zombie
‘...”anti-zombies’ —
duplicates of ourselves
made conscious by
the purely physical
facts (Frankish 2007)
— also seem conceiv-
able. So we have a
parallel argument:
(1*) anti-zombies are
conceivable; (2) what-
ever is conceivable is
possible; (3*) there-
fore anti-zombies are
possible. But (3) and
(3*) cannot both be
true, since if the pure-
ly physical facts about
anti-zombies make
them conscious, then
the exactly similar
physical facts about
zombies make them
conscious too, and
they are not zom-
bies after all (Frankish
2007; Marton 1998;
Sturgeon 2000, pp. )
21
Boltzmann brains
The brains which
appear from vac-
uum fluctuations
or, orginally,
from termal fluc-
tuations
22
Flux universe mind
The idea is from Per-
mutaton city be Egan.
Flux mind consists of
actually existing at-
oms, but they are tak-
en in complex non nat-
ural order
Possible variant is
Casual flux mind:
an observer-moment
which results from
complex but random
casual interaction of
atoms in a stone.
Observer-moment in
different universes.
One the same observer
moment could happen
by many different ca-
sual ways, which re-
sults in flux universe
23
Brain in vat
Thought experiment
about simulated world
An observer is real but
the world around him
is like a zombie
24. Schroedinger
mind
This is a mind of a
Schroedinger’s cat.
The idea is used in
“many minds” inter-
pretation of the quan-
tum mechanics
wiki
25.
Unconsciousness
mind
Seems to have behav-
ior, but not experiences
Examples:
Sleepwalking
Characters in night
dreams
Ideomotoric activity
26.
Mind of evolution
Mind-like process
which is using different
optimization method
than humans to come
to seemingly rational
constructions
Most known type of
such optimisation pro-
cess is natural selec-
tion and genetic algo-
rithms
Another type is an-
thropic principle
Other are conceivable
27
Zombie-world:
World without any
observer
The universe without
any observers is con-
ceivable but is it really
possible? Could we say
that it exists if it has
not any casual connec-
tions with any observ-
ers
28
Epistemological
solipsism
Only me have con-
sciousness, others are
zombies
29
Psychological
zombie
A mind which is able
only to repeat some
past activities. May
result from some forms
of dementia
30
Animal conscious-
ness problem
The problem of
animals qualia: do they
feel and what? Does
fish feel pain?
Do they feel and
suffer?
We will never know
what feels the frog in
the pond
31
Paperclip maximizer
A mind which is
completely controlled
by one idea.
Like a maniac,
or zombie
32.
A problem of
consciousness of a
random computer
programm
A Q(T) programm must
able to determine if an
algorithm T has any
experineces and which
ones.
Does it have suffering?
What kind of qualia it
has?
33
A soulless zombie
A soulless zombie that
lacks a soul.
It may have qualia and
experience, but it just
lack of soul.
34
A Freewill-less
zombie
Their behaviour is
completely determi-
nated by some kind of
rule set or algorithm
34a. Epiphenomenal
free will, which can’t
affect behaviour
Free will exist,
dualism
35.
A сonsciosness-less
zombie
This type of zomies not
only lack qualia, but
also other attributes of
consciosness as unity,
refletivity etc.
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